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For 100% Completion, we need max out all of the finite statistics in the Accomplishments Tab, which includes the "Quests Completed" statistic. Additionally, there are a few quests that either have no end to them or interrupt other 100% objectives, so these are done up to their final possible journal entry or before losing other 100% objectives. There is also a single quest that cannot be started without losing a faction rank, so that quest is ignored entirely. The totals are as follows:
For 100% Completion, we need max out all of the finite statistics in the Accomplishments Tab, which includes the "Quests Completed" statistic. Additionally, there are a few quests that either have no end to them or interrupt other 100% objectives, so these are done up to their final possible journal entry or before losing other 100% objectives. There is also a single quest that cannot be started without losing a faction rank, so that quest is ignored entirely. The totals are as follows:


* 208 Quests Completed
* '''208 Quests Completed'''
** These are the majority of all quests in the game, all of which do not prevent the player from completing other 100% objectives.
** These are the majority of all quests in the game, all of which do not prevent the player from completing other 100% objectives.
* 4 Journal-Filled Quests
* '''4 Journal-Filled Quests'''
** '''[[Oblivion:Cast out of the Thieves Guild|Cast out of the Thieves Guild]]''' — This quest automatically loops after reaching its last quest stage, with no actual stage that moves it to the completed section of the journal. It must reach the further stage, stage 40, to be considered complete.
** '''[[Oblivion:Cast out of the Thieves Guild|Cast out of the Thieves Guild]]''' — This quest automatically loops after reaching its last quest stage, with no actual stage that moves it to the completed section of the journal. It must reach the further stage, stage 40, to be considered complete.
** '''[[Oblivion:Whispers of Death|Whispers of Death]]''' — This quest only has a single stage, and never updates or completes itself, so simply having it in the journal qualifies as advancing it far enough.
** '''[[Oblivion:Whispers of Death|Whispers of Death]]''' — This quest only has a single stage, and never updates or completes itself, so simply having it in the journal qualifies as advancing it far enough.
** '''[[Oblivion:The Arena|The Arena]]''' — This quest's highest stage is stage 100, but it does not move to the completed section of the journal, so getting it to this stage counts as finishing it.
** '''[[Oblivion:The Arena|The Arena]]''' — This quest's highest stage is stage 100, but it does not move to the completed section of the journal, so getting it to this stage counts as finishing it.
** '''[[Oblivion:Expelled from the Fighters Guild|Expelled from the Fighters Guild]]''' — This quest's final stage is stage 100, but getting to that stage requires being permanently expelled from the Fighters Guild. Since we need to the run as the max rank of each faction, the highest stage possible is stage 60.
** '''[[Oblivion:Expelled from the Fighters Guild|Expelled from the Fighters Guild]]''' — This quest's final stage is stage 100, but getting to that stage requires being permanently expelled from the Fighters Guild. Since we need to the run as the max rank of each faction, the highest stage possible is stage 60.
* 1 "Impossible" Quest
* '''1 "Impossible" Quest'''
** This quest is '''[[Oblivion:Eternal Exile|Eternal Exile]]''', which can only be started by getting permanently expelled from the Dark Brotherhood. Since we need to finish the run as the max rank of each faction, it is not possible to even start this quest. There is a glitch involving [[Oblivion:Load Warping|Load Warping]] that allows for completing the quest, but either way this quest would fail to meet the requirement of a "non-glitched source" as per the [[Oblivion:Overview|100% Requirements]].
** This quest is '''[[Oblivion:Eternal Exile|Eternal Exile]]''', which can only be started by getting permanently expelled from the Dark Brotherhood. Since we need to finish the run as the max rank of each faction, it is not possible to even start this quest. There is a glitch involving [[Oblivion:Load Warping|Load Warping]] that allows for completing the quest, but either way this quest would fail to meet the requirement of a "non-glitched source" as per the [[Oblivion:Overview|100% Requirements]].



Revision as of 05:33, 10 October 2022

Quests are one of the primary objectives for the 100% speedrun, with most time saves resulting in finding unique errors in quest programming rather than finding general purpose tech/glitches. Note that this page focuses on the logic of each individual quest, not the interweaving of logic between quests and other objectives. Each quest's logic can be solved independently before implementing it into the overall route.

Overview

For 100% Completion, we need max out all of the finite statistics in the Accomplishments Tab, which includes the "Quests Completed" statistic. Additionally, there are a few quests that either have no end to them or interrupt other 100% objectives, so these are done up to their final possible journal entry or before losing other 100% objectives. There is also a single quest that cannot be started without losing a faction rank, so that quest is ignored entirely. The totals are as follows:

  • 208 Quests Completed
    • These are the majority of all quests in the game, all of which do not prevent the player from completing other 100% objectives.
  • 4 Journal-Filled Quests
    • Cast out of the Thieves Guild — This quest automatically loops after reaching its last quest stage, with no actual stage that moves it to the completed section of the journal. It must reach the further stage, stage 40, to be considered complete.
    • Whispers of Death — This quest only has a single stage, and never updates or completes itself, so simply having it in the journal qualifies as advancing it far enough.
    • The Arena — This quest's highest stage is stage 100, but it does not move to the completed section of the journal, so getting it to this stage counts as finishing it.
    • Expelled from the Fighters Guild — This quest's final stage is stage 100, but getting to that stage requires being permanently expelled from the Fighters Guild. Since we need to the run as the max rank of each faction, the highest stage possible is stage 60.
  • 1 "Impossible" Quest
    • This quest is Eternal Exile, which can only be started by getting permanently expelled from the Dark Brotherhood. Since we need to finish the run as the max rank of each faction, it is not possible to even start this quest. There is a glitch involving Load Warping that allows for completing the quest, but either way this quest would fail to meet the requirement of a "non-glitched source" as per the 100% Requirements.

The Quests Completed accomplishment increments each time a quest is completed, regardless of if a "good" or "bad" ending to a quest is reached. Due to the nature of how this is tracked, certain quests can often be sped up significantly by "failing" them, as long as those quests do not have Fame associated with them or prevent future quests from starting properly.

Quest Stage Mechanics

Quests are broken up into several stages, which are each represented by a value. Quest stage values are entirely arbitrary, with the only real rule being that each subsequent stage must have a greater value than the previous stage. Some quests start at stage 0 while others start at stage 10, and some quests end at stage 100 while others end at stage 85, 200, etc. A quest's stage is advanced via scripts attached to items, dialog choices, NPCs, etc. Each stage of a quest contains scripts that will run once that stage has started as well.

Certain quest stages will mark a quest as completed and move it to the completed section of the journal, although in some cases such as in Imperial Corruption, the quest can continue to update its stage anyway. Quests can have multiple stages that complete it, with any possible completion stage being a valid since they all increment the "Quests Completed" statistic. For 100%, we ideally want to reach a completion stage in as few actions as possible, making sure to acquire a completion stage that does not block us out of other 100% objectives such as Fame.

It appears that in general, quest stages can never decrease, as indicated by the "Allow repeated stages" checkbox in the Construction Set. Once a stage has been passed, all scripts attached to that stage are unable to be activated. Cast out of the Thieves Guild, Permanent Retirement, and The Ghost Ship of Anvil appear to be the only quests capable of reverting to previous stages.

Sequence Breaking

Quests are advanced via the script setstage [QuestID] [Stage] or set [QuestID].stage to [Stage]. These instances of scripted quest stage updates can appear anywhere that scripts normally exist, such as on dialog options, NPC behavior scripts, other quest stage scripts, etc. When looking for sequence breaks, we ideally will want to compile a list of each quest, their stages, and where those stages are set throughout the game's code using our script database.

Depending on how each individual stage is programmed, it may lack conditional checks that verify the previous stage of the quest is active, or even if the quest is active at all, before updating the quest to that stage. These instances are where sequence breaks are possible. Some sequence breaks may work only after a certain stage is reached first, while others may work prior to the start of the quest. It all depends on each individual quest, since quests often rely on spawning in NPCs or objects partway through them that contain scripts for further quest updates, which may not spawn if those stages are skipped.

Quest Breakdown

Here is a list of all quests in the game by category, with links to their sub-pages for full analysis of their quest logic, workarounds to known bugs, etc.:

Main Quest

Factions

These quests are all associated with the primary factions in the game. Quests with temporary or smaller factions are under the Side Quests category.

Side Quests

These are the other various smaller categories of quests.

Journal-Filled

For convenience, here are the four Journal-Filled quests listed separately from their other categories. These quests are unfinishable due to a lack of completion stages or conflict with the other 100% objectives.

Impossible Quests

There is only one quest under this category, and it is impossible due to having to lose your Dark Brotherhood faction rank to start it.